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Poll :: do you prefer to shoot the neutral trader passing by or just let is pass

shoot the mofo!
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Verfasst am: 26.05.08 22:56
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Help him. Too bad pirates can't be "forcibly persuaded" to pay tax, because contrary to a fully loaden trader, a pirate has nothing to lose in dying. That's the greatest weakness of the current system that would need fixing IMHO.

Here's what I'd build around the /tax function:
Whenever a fighter is taxed, both the taxer and the taxee (is that even a word? ) would have to engage in a best of 1 (makes the most sense), 3, 5, whatever. The one who wins gets the cash. This might even result in the taxer having to pay, if the opponent was stronger than expected.

Of course the taxee can try to escape. If he manages to leave the taxers sight, the best of ... fight is aborted and the taxee has successfully fled the scene. This "in sight / out of sight" stuff already works, since /tax is already based on it.

To cut a long story short: all w0dk4 would need to do is take the existing system and enhance it by an automatic cash transfer to the winner of a /tax fight. After /tax was sent, the system already knows who two people are concerned, the rest should be pretty easy.

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Love this idea

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Verfasst am: 27.05.08 00:34
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I love that idea.

Only one thing I hate about it:

Imagine a taxi of 10M credits being asked, for instance. I think it should be limited to a more reasonable maximum tax.
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It already is limited to 300k

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Verfasst am: 27.05.08 08:04
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Guid to make money:
Nail down a noob at a planet/station
Send a tax request every time he tries to undock and kill him --> 300k earned
Repeat this until he gives up and changes his character...
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Not a good idea...

But i have a different idea. The taxed player gets the money if he manage to kill his taxer. The Taxer only gets money if the taxed player accepts the tax.
Would add some danger to the job of a taxer
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Verfasst am: 27.05.08 08:16
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well ... we can add acc_tax_challange command to activate fight for a tax.

taxer sends /tax request 300k
victim /acc_challange and they fight

winner gets cash.

That will protect week players from cash-bashing and will give others possibility to fight for a money
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Im on of those pilot who don't take and let trader be... to lazy too tax lol Very Happy

But Lasse Blutströmen have a good idée. It could be a good system to ambush rich pirate ! ^^

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HerrGott hat folgendes geschrieben:
what kind of a choice is that, Phixx? trust me, it's not "tax or die" it's just die, cause in most cases, you kind of have to be stupid/desperate to pay


Imagine this : You are in New Tokyo , full of diamond.You last docked in New Berlin and now you are just 1 dock away from getting ~500k.I tax you only 100k.What's better ? Don't pay and loose all money , and the taxer will get ~150k from selling you cargo or just pay 100k and win 400k?
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I like Nosferatu's idea even a bit more, since it effectively closed a possible exploit. However, it opens up another exploit: if the guy who is taxed choses to fight and loses, he or she loses nothing else, not even cash, so the taxed one can reap all the benefits while pirates earn all the disadvantages.

Back to my method: everyone involved in a /tax request has the opportunity to get the tax, be it the pirate or be it his victim. Exploit, as Nosferatu pointed out, is Pirates can bleed inferior players to death, by repeatedly taxing and then killing them. Here are some ideas to prevent this:
1. /tax may only be sent to the same player every 10 minutes, independent of who is taxing him. If the frequency is higher, /tax is ignored
2. if one of the /tax fighters has less than a predefined amount of cash, a percentage of his cash is deducted, like 20% or 30%, and transferred to the winner
3. /tax fight does not work on players who are flying one of the cargo haulers and have cargo on board, however the normal /tax method, as it is right now, is still possible. This is to prevent pirates from getting both cash and cargo. Sending /tax and immediately killing the freighter would make the pirate get the cash as well as drop the cargo of the freighter
4. only allow /tax fights among fighter pilots. If the pirate manages to kill a freighter, it's escort has the opportunity to get a reimburse from the pirate for the lost cargo by taxing and killing the pirate. If the pirate proves to be strong and manages to kill the escort, too, he also gets money from the escort

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Verfasst am: 27.05.08 11:36
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Vagabond-]X[ hat folgendes geschrieben:
Imagine this : You are in New Tokyo , full of diamond.You last docked in New Berlin and now you are just 1 dock away from getting ~500k.I tax you only 100k.What's better ? Don't pay and loose all money , and the taxer will get ~150k from selling you cargo or just pay 100k and win 400k?


this is one of the cases when it's not stupid anymore to pay
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Verfasst am: 27.05.08 13:33
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This would be pointless, since every trader f1s or dies and then goes again until someone gets bored. Then they whine how hard it is to get money...
unless maybe against a fighter.

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Vagabond-]X[ hat folgendes geschrieben:
HerrGott hat folgendes geschrieben:
what kind of a choice is that, Phixx? trust me, it's not "tax or die" it's just die, cause in most cases, you kind of have to be stupid/desperate to pay


Imagine this : You are in New Tokyo , full of diamond.You last docked in New Berlin and now you are just 1 dock away from getting ~500k.I tax you only 100k.What's better ? Don't pay and loose all money , and the taxer will get ~150k from selling you cargo or just pay 100k and win 400k?


If the transport is only 1k from the dock away and maybe still in cruise, he has good chances to dock, before you can destroy him. Depends on the ship
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@Hawc
where have you been? Razz

w0dk4 made it so that when a trader is /taxed and then f1s, his or her cargo is dumped in space.

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Well tell me how many care about that ? even if you kill him 20 times some still don't pay. And at that time you loose about 30min.

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So you're unable to sell the trader's cargo? Why is that?

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I think he's talking about pirate taxing fighter
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i would go for the gun and probably die its not good to compare real life and a game with each other the odds that a guy with a gun has the guts of shooting an innocent guy for 20 bucks is a lot different than a 14yo kid playing on his dads computer thinking he's the best player in freelancer and shoots everyone weaker than him
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@Lasse: most times i am in the middle of the trade route so selling wouldn't give me much.

@hachebe: This is called Role-Playing.
Meaning i play the role of pirate, you play the role of a trader who has to hire escort to keep alive (Server pays the escort/s). And then there are Pirate-hunters who hunt and kill pirates.And so on...

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Hawc, you mean for characters that have joined a certain NPC faction?
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No for all ppl, but some ppl say this is a PvP server, not a RP one.
Well doesn't matter, I believe in RP, but maybe i should start EVE Razz

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Now think what might happen if we get fighter vs fighter /tax fights, as suggested above. Cash transfer on f1? I mean, why should merchants be the only ones affected, getting their cargo dumped in space on f1?

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from my part:

as pirate i ask for tax always with "Player-name pay 50k tax pls" (if he is between lvl30-34), asking 'please' makes a difference if you're a "good" pirate, if he tries to run, CD him and have a talk with him (tax isn't that high), warn him before shoting him a few times and only as the last solution kill/hunt him.

as trader i pay the tax only when is low (coresponding to my level) and i'm being asked nicely (i rather die then paying to someone that isn't nice), oh i almost forgot: i never pay tax if you first -open fire/kill me- and ask for tax after ...

PS: i hate when i'm being attacked without warn (even npc's warn before they attack you, except for nomads (but that is something else))

cya all in space
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"I beg your pardon for interrupting your flight so suddenly, but I would like to ask a favor of you. You have to know, a buddy of mine is in a bit of a disadvantage cash wise, because he was in quite alot of gunfire lately, so I need to ask the measly amount of 300.000 credits from you so I can give it to my friend. Would that be ok for you? Because if not, I'd be heartbroken being forced to blow your fine ship to pieces, which I'd like you to help me to avoid."

Nicku, would that make you pay? Razz

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i got the sarcasm, but even that is too much ...

but i hope you understood what i wanted to say
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Lasse Blutströmen hat folgendes geschrieben:
"I beg your pardon for interrupting your flight so suddenly, but I would like to ask a favor of you. You have to know, a buddy of mine is in a bit of a disadvantage cash wise, because he was in quite alot of gunfire lately, so I need to ask the measly amount of 300.000 credits from you so I can give it to my friend. Would that be ok for you? Because if not, I'd be heartbroken being forced to blow your fine ship to pieces, which I'd like you to help me to avoid."

Nicku, would that make you pay? Razz


hehehe - good one Very Happy
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