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Verfasst am: 31.07.07 22:18
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Sorry, but I am from England. My German is not so good. I will try in English and German.

What is happening? I have a 10 size ship and 10 size Shields. Also 4 Nomad Cannons

Certain people on the site, attack and kill me within 1 second of combat. I don't even see them or have time to fire. Are they using some Mod I don't know about? or are their more powerful weapons and ships available? Or, are they cheats?

Traurig, aber ich kommen aus England. Mein Deutsch ist nicht so gut. Ich versuche auf englisches und deutsch. Was geschieht? Ich habe ein 10 Größe Schiff und 10 Größe Schilder. Auch 4 Nomade-Kanonen Bestimmte Leute auf dem Aufstellungsort, Angriff und töten mich innerhalb 1 Sekunde des Kampfes. Ich nicht sogar sehe sie oder habe die Zeit abzufeuern. Benutzen sie irgendeinen Umb., den ich nicht ungefähr kenne? oder sind ihre leistungsfähigeren vorhandenen Waffen und Schiffe? Oder, sind sie Überbrücker?
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Its not difficult to kill peoples in 1 second, with Nomadweapons (and Torp)

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You dont need to write in german
We also have an english board here you might want to check it out.

Anyways, I dont think they are cheating. Try to talk to them, ask them how they kill you so fast. If you are new to the game it is usual to be killed very fast by more experienced players in a PVP.

Maybe some people will give you hints & tips in this thread later on.

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2 tizconda del cid(shieldbreaker), 4 nomad weapons(or 3 nomads and cannonball missile), sunslayer torpedo, maybe additionally driller or screamer mines, and if you don't really move(strafe sideways, up and down, not using the truster at all, do enginekill while using trust and jokes like that) your gunned down within 1-2 seconds.

just try and learn from your mistakes.

btw, what ship do you fly?


oh, and your german is better than some ppl over here speak and write^^
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ghostbuster_no2 hat folgendes geschrieben:
2 tizconda del cid(shieldbreaker), 4 nomad weapons(or 3 nomads and cannonball missile), sunslayer torpedo, maybe additionally driller or screamer mines, and if you don't really move(strafe sideways, up and down, not using the truster at all, do enginekill while using trust and jokes like that) your gunned down within 1-2 seconds.

just try and learn from your mistakes.

btw, what ship do you fly?


oh, and your german is better than some ppl over here speak and write^^
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You sure have the ADV. Brigandine VHF Shield that offers a shield strength of 8280 hit points. (The 12600 hit points are the strength of the hull.)

One Tizona del Cid pulse weapon damages this shield by 1490 hits points per hit. The Tizona has a refire rate of 4 shots per second, so 2 Tizonas would require 3 shots to kill your shield. This would take about 0,75 seconds.

From the moment your ship is not protected by a charged shield the hull is very vulnerable by missiles, torpedos and mines.

A well placed missile/torpedo/mine can destroy your ship with one single hit!

So all in all 1 second is enough to destroy your ship, even if you fly a Titan with maximum shield.

You can avoid this fate by moving instantly if attacked.

Don't think about cheats, the server offers quite good cheat detection in combination with ad hoc kick.

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Guzmán el Bueno hat folgendes geschrieben:

One Tizona del Cid pulse weapon damages this shield by 1490 hits points per hit. The Tizona has a refire rate of 4 shots per second, so 2 Tizonas would require 3 shots to kill your shield. This would take about 0,75 seconds.


Dont forget the shielddamage of the nomadguns...
So the shield is down much faster than in 0,75sec.

It's a little strange sometimes with the weaponsdamage. But those guys above are right. Some perfect hits with the guns and a torp or mine and u are gone. Faster then u think I know that. Was a poor little victim of such guys too several times ...

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Correct, Evil~King, if you calculate hits with full equipment, you're even faster in killing; eg:

2 Tizonas + 4 Nomad Blasters generate 4248 hit points on the Adv. Brigandine VHF shield. With two full volleys the shield is completely down.
As you have a refire rate of 4 using these weapons, the specified shield is down even within 0,25 seconds!

So always pay attention, [Viper]_ALPHA.

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I have an El Cid and FOUR Nomad Cannons, one person "Denoniser" (I think that is the spelling) Just sat there and laughed as I hit him for four seconds, point balnk. His shields didn't even move one bar. There is something wrong



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You sure have the ADV. Brigandine VHF Shield that offers a shield strength of 8280 hit points. (The 12600 hit points are the strength of the hull.)

One Tizona del Cid pulse weapon damages this shield by 1490 hits points per hit. The Tizona has a refire rate of 4 shots per second, so 2 Tizonas would require 3 shots to kill your shield. This would take about 0,75 seconds.

From the moment your ship is not protected by a charged shield the hull is very vulnerable by missiles, torpedos and mines.

A well placed missile/torpedo/mine can destroy your ship with one single hit!

So all in all 1 second is enough to destroy your ship, even if you fly a Titan with maximum shield.

You can avoid this fate by moving instantly if attacked.

Don't think about cheats, the server offers quite good cheat detection in combination with ad hoc kick.
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I have an El Cid and FOUR Nomad Cannons, one person "Denoniser" (I think that is the spelling) Just sat there and laughed as I hit him for four seconds, point balnk. His shields didn't even move one bar. There is something wrong


... sounds strange ... Grübel ... but anyway - it's really hard to fight against a really advanced Player - I know that very very well. Crying or Very sad
One can't compare it to fighting NPC's - even Nomads.

Concerning the ship you use... - from my point of view (but I'm no professional Embarassed) ...

the TITAN is the best armoured ship - but it is an easy target as it can't move very quickly! (And it has an affinity to losing it's wings ... .)

the SABRE is much harder to hit - maybe the best ship to get away - but as it turns very slowly it's not the best ship to fight.

the EAGLE turns much faster - therefore maybe the best choice (that's why most player fly it) - although it doesn't have as much hull.

the SETH is a mixture of them all - it might be a good choice - depending on your stile.

For fighting a professional player successfully, it's imperative to master all techniques Ghostbuster_no2 mentioned above.
Just don't give up! I was killed lots of times - probably by the same players. I finally got an idea how they did it - and I'm starting to learn ... Twisted Evil - btw there are lots of hints on this pages and many nice player around - just ask!


Who ever wants to correct me is very much welcome! As I said: I'm still learning ... . Wink


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[Viper]_ALPHA hat folgendes geschrieben:
I have an El Cid


You got my Ingamechar? Damn!^^

Btw after LogIn with your Char, you cant damage an other player for 20seconds.. maybe thats the reason why u can damage this guy..

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Good point Titus!

Or ... maybe it was in New York! Smile
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additionally to what greggie wrote:

the SETH (gamma unknown @ planet gammu) has least hullpoints of all mentioned VHF, on the other hand he turns almost as fast as the eagle and due to the arrangement of the mounting points he has the ability to fire all weapons straightforward at once, a not unimportant point for choosing "your" ship!
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OK.. thanks all. Although not much help as it is one sided. I have four Nomad Cannons and an El Cid. However neither I or my friend (Viper) Omega make ANY damage against these idiots. They kept my friend, Mark, from leaving Crete for two days. 9 against 1. And, he gets banned for "insulting"

Well, your non paying players NEED insulting. They ARE cheats, They have found a way to bypass ther server cheat detection. Not difficult when you get banned for telling an idiot that they are an idiot.

I was thinking about having my own server, or financing this one to 100 players, as I thought it so good originally. No way now . . .
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Yes u was killed (and your friends) not 1 time in gamma by my friends or me. Its very easy to kill in 1 sec. only when player is undocking start shooting and when protection is off launch torp and use guns to take out shield when shield is down torp must hit, then 30-100% hull dmg and... BOOM... Mr. Green if torpedo was not enough is easy to finish u whit guns.. And some players have lancer+torpedo so count ;]
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HI,

im not happy to see if 2 or 9 ! "veterans" are killing a newby. As well as i don´t like trying to "dockkill" a player although it isn´t really possible since the feature is implemented by the tools on this server. Anyhow i have to say that all the guys are right that you can be killed from a "Pro" within few seconds. Just as you as a "newby" aren´t able to hit players who are flying in a way you don´t know yet. They don´t cheat, they just fly since many months or years. !

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[Viper]_ALPHA hat folgendes geschrieben:
OK.. thanks all. Although not much help as it is one sided. I have four Nomad Cannons and an El Cid. However neither I or my friend (Viper) Omega make ANY damage against these idiots. They kept my friend, Mark, from leaving Crete for two days. 9 against 1. And, he gets banned for "insulting"

Well, your non paying players NEED insulting. They ARE cheats, They have found a way to bypass ther server cheat detection. Not difficult when you get banned for telling an idiot that they are an idiot.

I was thinking about having my own server, or financing this one to 100 players, as I thought it so good originally. No way now . . .

omg, how we can cheat? we all have FLCD anti cheat program and there is no cheats for FL!!!!! (exept trainer (who dont work)) no aimbot no godlike mod or something. if u want to stay in gamma pay tax! and be there, if u dont like go somewhere else, dont need to insult and if player dont let u go do f1 and come back night when server is empty or playing ~5players and fly where u want. u should know which system is under controled by pirate which alliance.
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es muss sein.....
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One Tizona del Cid pulse weapon damages this shield by 1490 hits points per hit. The Tizona has a refire rate of 4 shots per second, so 2 Tizonas would require 3 shots to kill your shield. This would take about 0,75 seconds.
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die tiz hat ~1200 schildschaden / tizona has around ~1200 shield damage

dein englisch ist top lob

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Ice cold death, the "real" shield damage a gun causes is calculated by multiplicating the given shield damage value by the bonus/malus factor of the shield type.

Since the Tizona del Cid is a pulse weapon it causes additional damage on the positron shields. This additional damage is a bonus of 20% = the Tizona causes a shield damage of 1490 hit points on positron shields.

Since the only buyable level 10 shield is the Adv. Bigandine HF shield and it's a positron shield the 1490 hit points per hit is the correct value.

A shield damage of of the Tizona of 1242 hit points per hit would be generated on molecular shields (e.g. Barrier HF level 9 shield). Pulse weapons are neutral to molecular shields.

The graviton shields offer better protection against pulse weapons. The Tizona would cause only 993 hit points per hit against a graviton shield. Best graviton shield you can buy for HF is the Adv. Protector HF shield. The (Adv.) Champion shields are also graviton shields but you can neither buy nor mount them to any ship.

(Little bit off-topic but I hope it was although interesting. )

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Many people choose to fit two Tizonas to their ships, which I found to be a waste of hull damage potential. Using one Tizona and one Kraken Type 2, the shield drops insignificantly slower, but at the same time gives you the edge in dealing hull damage, being able to kill your enemy before he kills you.

The shield is like a bubble, being a bit larger in size than the ship it's enveloping and thus can be hit alot easier, while the hull literally fits the ship like skin. So in PvP, most of the time you're not working on reducing your opponent's shield, you're working down his hull.

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ghostbuster_no2 hat folgendes geschrieben:
additionally to what greggie wrote:

the SETH (gamma unknown @ planet gammu) has least hullpoints of all mentioned VHF, on the other hand he turns almost as fast as the eagle and due to the arrangement of the mounting points he has the ability to fire all weapons straightforward at once, a not unimportant point for choosing "your" ship!

erm... seth turns not that fast like eagle. looks like that you don´t fly one.. it turns slower than eaglel. a little bit faster than sabre

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landalas hat folgendes geschrieben:
ghostbuster_no2 hat folgendes geschrieben:
additionally to what greggie wrote:

the SETH (gamma unknown @ planet gammu) has least hullpoints of all mentioned VHF, on the other hand he turns almost as fast as the eagle and due to the arrangement of the mounting points he has the ability to fire all weapons straightforward at once, a not unimportant point for choosing "your" ship!

erm... seth turns not that fast like eagle. looks like that you don´t fly one.. it turns slower than eaglel. a little bit faster than sabre


"almost as fast as = a little bit slower than" -> ghostbuster_no2 is right.

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i fly eagle, seth, sabre. eagle can turns fastest, after him seth and then sabre. if you´re in a fight against an eagle, you will know that eagle shoots while your turning.

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Sapperlot!
Und genau das sagt auch ghostbuster_no2:
Seth turns almost as fast as Eagle. D.h. Seth wendet beinahe so schnell wie Eagle.

You can find a fine list of FL ships as well as HHC ships on the clanpage of the OEG.

common FL ships

special HHC ships

There you can easily compare the stats of the specific ships.

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Thankyou all for your points and suggestions. Very useful. I have now purchased a Seph and the difference is great. My first fight I killed two nomads.

Having been trapped on Crete for two days, my friend and colleague Alpha (Omega) became irrate and was banned for insulting. How can I get him unbanned? I don't think the banning was fair considering the veterans had him 9 ships to 1

Thanks again

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