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Beitrag Titel: Vote Kicks
Verfasst am: 16.06.08 00:00
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Die Vote-Kick Features wurden eingebaut, um das Spielen etwas besser zu gestalten. Das Problem ist nur, dass diese Features momentan kaum etwas nützen.


Lag - Vote :

Die Werte sind meiner Meinung nach etwas zu hoch angesetzt. Ich habe mehrfach gegen Leute gekämpft die abartig gelagt haben, sich aber immer knapp unter der Grenze zum Voten befanden.
Mein Vorschlag sähe ungefähr so aus :

Ping 150 ms; Fluct 8ms; Loss 5%; Lag 8%

Mit dem Loss hatte ich bisher kaum Probleme, allerdings mit den anderen 3 Anzeigen. Es kommt oft genug vor, dass jemand (wie vorhin) mit 195ms Ping + paar Fluct rumlagt, ohne dass er gekickt werden kann.

Vote - (Cheat) - Kick:

Bei dem Vote geht es hauptsächlich darum, dass man eventuelle "Cheater", die den Mod nicht an haben, vom Server schuppst.
Das Problem hierbei ist allerdings, dass das Limit von 5 Spielern, die jeweils 50 (?) Stunden auf dem Char haben müssen etwas zu hoch ist.
Hier würde es vollkommen ausreichen, wenn man das Limit auf 3 Spieler ansetzt, um "Abuse" zu vermeiden, falls er überhaupt gegeben ist.
Ich hatte schon mehrfach die Situation, dass ich nur mit jeweils 3 anderen da war bzw. manche nicht die erforderliche Playtime auf dem Char hatten.


Lässt sich an diesen etwas hoch angesetzten Limits etwas machen oder sollen die mit Absicht kaum erreichbar sein ?

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Delta prefers to fight ppl who have a better connection as the given possible vote kick possibilities .
Also he dont like players who plays whitout HC Mod and wants to kick them too .
In general he wants only to play against german players with best connection to HC Server .

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CatDog hat folgendes geschrieben:
Delta prefers to fight ppl who have a better connection as the given possible vote kick possibilities .
Also he dont like players who plays whitout HC Mod and wants to kick them too .
In general he wants only to play against german players with best connection to HC Server .


A very subjective translation...Perhaps someone can give a more objective translation for our english speaking community

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~Delta-Proxima~ hat folgendes geschrieben:
The Vote-Kick features have been implemented to get a better gameplay. But the problem is, that those features don't have any effect...



Lag-Vote

In my eyes, the values have been set to high. I fought multiple people who had so too much lag, but were under the values to vote-kick them.

My suggestion:
Ping 150 ms; Fluct 8ms; Loss 5%; Lag 8%

I never had problems with loss, but with the other indicators. It happens often enough (just like some minutes ago) that somebody with 195ms Ping and a bit Fluct is lagging around, without the possibility to kick him.

Vote - (Cheat) - Kick:

The vote has been implemented to kick possibile cheaters, who are not using the mod. But the problem is the limit of 5 people and each of them must have 50h(!) playtime on his character! It would be better to set the limit to 3 players to avoid "abuse". I was often in the situation that there were only 3 players or some of them hadn't enough playtime...

is it possible to change some of the limits or are they special at such a high value?



i know my english is not perfect, but i think this should be understandable enough ^^
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Lag Vote

The problem with this feature is abuse, i recently witnessed players who were using repair ships being vote kicked, this is completely stupid, what advantage does lag give someone with a repair ship or in a trader?

I also witnessed another (american) player being consistantly vote kicked from the server in multiple chars, everytime he logged in with a different char the Vote Kickers would switch/F1 to same system so they could vote kick just because he is enemy, this tbh is as bad as stalking syndrome.

I think the Vote kick thing is bad and should be removed, I would rather see admins exercising bans/kicks, giving this power to players will simply mean international players not coming here, already I have seen several threads on forums to this effect.

Cheat kick I dont have so much of a problem with as anyone can simply download the mod to avoid being kicked, minimum could be reduced to say 30 hours maybe?

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before u suggest changes in vote kicks, explain me hows that possible that
german player with ping ~30 0 0 0 jumps more in fight than polish or russian
with fluct and loss. Block it than u wont have to vote kicks^^

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I will say 1 thing: You can have lag on route to server and on route to you. for example player A dont have lags but hes saying that everything is jumpy - on route to server no lags but they are on route to him. next player B has no lags too but hes jumping (like myself) hes saying that no lags he see - no lags on route to him but lags on route to server

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Ko[M]aR hat folgendes geschrieben:
before u suggest changes in vote kicks, explain me hows that possible that
german player with ping ~30 0 0 0 jumps more in fight than polish or russian
with fluct and loss. Block it than u wont have to vote kicks^^


that is something i asked myself too...
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Some persons told me that they see people lagging around expecially if the have fastpath.

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The lag kicks that were in the past were OK, i have 180 ping, 0, 0 ,0. If you put only 150 as a ping i will not be able to play and that is something i don't think is fair. I have also seeing players with better ping that do lag, and so the putting of less values will not fix the problem, i will suggest going to to old setup that was implemented.

For what Tedi said that is true they were just kicking this guy every time, and that i think and you will also agree is abusing the purpose of the Kick function in game.
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schade dass die die am meisten laggen nicht gekickt werden können weil sie den ping immer 1 - 5 ms unter der grenze halten Rolling Eyes

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lower limits won't necessarily exclude most non-german players but rather those players whose connection is well too bad. and i see nothing wrong with that. if you have a decent connection you won't have any problem. i can play on most US servers with a ping of less than 100ms. why should the majority suffer from lagging players for the benefit of a few? seriously imho its an imposition to expect from everyone to tolerate lagging players.

drastically lower limits for the automatic and the /vote kicks would be my choice. in these days distance is not a sufficient excuse for a ping of 160ms+. if you have no decent connection play on a server closer to you period!

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Well looks like i will have to find a new server soon, my ping 160 0 0 0, and all because i have to pass 15 routers that eat all my bandwidth. But if that makes the server a better place, well then I will be glad to say good bye. But i have never being kick for lag, as many other player that have lower pigs have. So the point of solving the lag problem does not rely in pings, but in quality of internet providers.

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The limit of "Ping 150ms" was just an example. The Ping-Kick can be at 200ms i dont care .. more important are the limits of fluct and Lag. Its really annoying of someone has a constant lag of 10% and you can't do anything.
And no i dont want all people to leave the server. I just want to find a solution for the problem with the lags.
And no its not against "foreign" players. A lot of german people lag as hell too.

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Yes ping is not really problem u could have limit for ping 300 ms and make lower limit for loss, lag ...
to prevent abusive kicking from server i suggest if player which is lagging last minute killed somebody and somebody vote kick and server finds out he meets criteria to be kicked, it kicks him, if player didnt kill nobody last minute it allows him to stay on server, because it looks like he is not interfering in fight...
What u think about this ?
this way you couldnt kick somebody who is just watching fight when he got lag and ppl couldnt abuse him to bash him from server but he got chance to be on server as long he dont distrupt other ppl gameplay with his lag...

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Yes ping is not really problem u could have limit for ping 300 ms and make lower limit for loss, lag ...
to prevent abusive kicking from server i suggest if player which is lagging last minute killed somebody and somebody vote kick and server finds out he meets criteria to be kicked, it kicks him, if player didnt kill nobody last minute it allows him to stay on server, because it looks like he is not interfering in fight...
What u think about this ?
this way you couldnt kick somebody who is just watching fight when he got lag and ppl couldnt abuse him to bash him from server but he got chance to be on server as long he dont distrupt other ppl gameplay with his lag...

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[TCEagles]crashbx hat folgendes geschrieben:
Yes ping is not really problem u could have limit for ping 300 ms and make lower limit for loss, lag ...
to prevent abusive kicking from server i suggest if player which is lagging last minute killed somebody and somebody vote kick and server finds out he meets criteria to be kicked, it kicks him, if player didnt kill nobody last minute it allows him to stay on server, because it looks like he is not interfering in fight...
What u think about this ?
this way you couldnt kick somebody who is just watching fight when he got lag and ppl couldnt abuse him to bash him from server but he got chance to be on server as long he dont distrupt other ppl gameplay with his lag...


Good Idea .. but what if this person interfere a fight with spaming mines or whatever and he doesn't kill anyone ? So he is annoying for all who play there but he did not kill somebody .. how can the server proove that he interfered or not ?

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I dont know if its possible than Flhook could check if player that is doing damage to other ppl last minuste he would meet criteria to be kicked, otherwise if he would abuse this you could record short xfire movie and admins could deal with him, but i dont think spamming mines is rly a problem ;D he is wasting money...

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good idea, make lower limits for fluct loss and lag. Laggers go trade !!!

BTW is there possible to make checkin ping by selecting player and type
command like when u dock on BS?
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Not all English based players have horrible pings or connection problems.

Most UK'ers ping very well. The same as East Coast Americans.

Florida, New York, Virginia, etc. Ping under 100.

What I do find annoying. Is when I hear a Clan using the votekick to kick players out of fights. I can understand, if the player is actually causing problems.

But, i've watched several IMMORTALS who are American based with 150-200 pings, rarely jump. Unless their loss goes up. Yet, their kicked in battles. Seems more like an issue of stubborness.

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I hover around 180 ping, 0 fluctuation, 0 loss, and 0 lag. At the most 200 ping when there are 30+ people around in a fight, and I live on the West Coast of the United States.

Only when my ping flared up around 250+ with 10% lag (because a server 1 hop from HHC was overloaded) was I ping kicked.

With new lag limits set that low I wouldn't be able to play at all.
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Tedi hat folgendes geschrieben:
Lag Vote

The problem with this feature is abuse, i recently witnessed players who were using repair ships being vote kicked, this is completely stupid, what advantage does lag give someone with a repair ship or in a trader?

I also witnessed another (american) player being consistantly vote kicked from the server in multiple chars, everytime he logged in with a different char the Vote Kickers would switch/F1 to same system so they could vote kick just because he is enemy, this tbh is as bad as stalking syndrome.

I think the Vote kick thing is bad and should be removed, I would rather see admins exercising bans/kicks, giving this power to players will simply mean international players not coming here, already I have seen several threads on forums to this effect.

Cheat kick I dont have so much of a problem with as anyone can simply download the mod to avoid being kicked, minimum could be reduced to say 30 hours maybe?


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When we remove the vote feature we will set the automated kick back to where it was before (ping 250 i think)
Are your sure you want the vote to be removed?
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In the second part of this movie , there's an US immortal fighting with an german player.He's ping is almost 200 and sometimes over it.As you can see he doesen't jump but he can be vote kicked.

The problem with vote kicks are the ego of some people ( i won't give any names ).They hate loosing so that's why in a 5 vs 5 fight example they vote kick at least 2 of us , even tought they didn't jump , they had just ping like 210-220.

Someone from our clan made a little experiment.He made a undercover char , and fought like a noob ( having the same ping as in tagged char ).When he asked he's opponets if he lags , they answered no.

And i readed somewhere somebody saying that the distance shouldn't be and excuse for highping.Dear Sir .. if u make such a statement , u don't have an clue of what Ping really means.

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Ping is a computer network tool used to test whether a particular host is reachable across an IP network; it is also used to self test the network interface card of the computer. It works by sending ICMP “echo request” packets to the target host and listening for ICMP “echo response” replies. Ping estimates the round-trip time, generally in milliseconds, and records any packet loss, and prints a statistical summary when finished.


Short that means that the ping is the time for the packages sent by your computer to reach the server and return back.
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