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Poll :: Which one of the following situation would you prefere ?

1.Banning all of them / Make them available in the official mod.
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Beitrag Titel: Client-Side Modifications
Verfasst am: 18.04.09 09:47
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Please read the whole content of this post before voting

I took the liberty of analysing , from a neutral point of view , the current situation we are facing.
Right now there are two sides :
(1) Those who want the client-side modifications to be banned , or at least be included in the HC mod after

admins decide if they are legit or not.
(2) Those who want the Client-side modifications to be allowed.

Right now each side has a good argument of why they should be kept / removed.
So I will present you a neutral opinion on the +'s and -'s that each one involves.


(1) + It dramaticaly lowers the chances of having people who use different tweaks to gain advantage over the

enemy.
+ Admins will get a chance to analyse each new modification and decide if it would affect the gameplay.
+ Everybody will have acces to the same options , and it's their decision if they want to turn them on or

off.

- For those with the latest hardware freelancer will become a bit boring , with no 'cool' effects to

enjoy.
- It dramaticaly decreases the chances of getting new personal-made modifications , some of them actually

being quite good ( ex : Lasse Blutströmen )

(2) + Those with latest hardware will enjoy new effects which will make freelancer a bit more interestring

to play.
+ People will have the right to modify their own game , this way choosing if they want performance ( ex

317th ) or good graphics ( ex crashbx ).
- It makes room for allot of possibilities for those who want to tweak their game to gain advantage over

the enemy.
- A race will start betwen everybody , trying to get the best tweaks as possible.
- Admins won't have a chance of pronouncing their opinion about each modification , and they will loose

track of each modification brought to the game.

Take your time , analyse the +'s and -'s of your decision and vote , although we will have to accept the

fact that whatever the result of this vote will be , it will make one side unhappy.

Note : If you are not able to communicate like a rational being , then don't post anything , just read my post and vote.

I would like to ask admins to first try to remove posts which contain flame and offtopic , and if necessary

, temporaly ban the user , rather than clossing the topic
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I think client side modifications should be allowed as far as they do not influence the gameplay in modders advantage. That means, e.g. that modifying the camera angle to "fisheye" should be forbidden. But it is quite OK when camera is adapted to widescreen.
I see no problem in other modifications like HUD- and cursor-colors. Using new graphics like in Plasmafire and Why485's effects does not influence the gameplay. They are more a disadvantage for the modder because they lose some fps.

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Verfasst am: 18.04.09 10:07
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i opted for 1 and its very simple why:

adminz are always conczened that new players here should at least have the possibility to start here - reckognize some "uber-players" using "uber-tools" not available to all will definetely lessen their will to invest time and nerves to this server

on a longer scale there will only remain hardcrore pvp player here trying to gain advantage through competition in modder skills rather than "real" fighting skill - everyone interested in trading, RPG will leave this server...

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In my opinion it's important to make the game more interesting and I'm bored of standard-looking Freelancer. So I got a HUD-Mod in black for a better view and I also implemented the Plasmafire-Starspheres in my Freelancer, so that it looked much better. So it is from my point of view necessary to take the new effects into the Mod but ban all other third-party mods/programs and self-modded things.
I want to fight against fair opponents and not against some cheaters because I am fighting without any cheat since I play Freelancer.

http://freelancerserver.de/v2/topic,15957_Fadenkreuz_Style_veraendern.html
Here [NIB]~Alarich wrote this statement:
[NIB]~Alarich // German hat folgendes geschrieben:
Leute, lasst bis auf weiteres das Verändern der original FL bzw. HHC Mod Settings bleiben!

[NIB~Alarich // English hat folgendes geschrieben:
Folks, don't change the original/HC-Mod Setting for now!

With other words: One Admin already has 'forbidden' all foreign modifications.

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[NIB]~Alarich hat folgendes geschrieben:

Bis wir eine Entscheidung haben, wie wir mit den diversen "optionalen" Mods umgehen.
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I've quoted Alarich, too. There he posted a kind of Admin-Statement. Wink

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Zitat:
Banning all of them
Allow all of them



It sounds sensless
a lot of moddification should be banned because there are cheat, but not grafik/effect oder other optional client mods(like iafl, HUD Mods or why485 effects).
Mod which change gameplay are already banned, so this disscusion is pointless...
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@ Syd.

I stated
Zitat:
1.Banning all of them / Make them available in the official mod.


I'm not against graphic modifications , as long as they are in the official mod.
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Pointless Thread .

Rhino "tested" Fisheye Modification "offical" 5 months ago , no action taken by Admins since then (removing Threads doesnt help ^^) , instead they ask you to fraps 24/7 lol .
As all "cosmetical" modifications are still supported by admins until yesterday ( see Alarich`s post , please dont do it , lol , Epic Fail ^^ ) .
This Server has clearly integrated cheat ( no sense to make movies now , only braindeads would use cheat yet ) , only solution would be a Loader Program imo , say goodby to vanilla FL, as obviously admins cant control all ini files ^^ .


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Hey whos talking? Post from normal acc instead of smurf or you have reasons to not show urself up? Very Happy

Voted for banning^^
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Anshar hat folgendes geschrieben:
@ Syd.

I stated
Zitat:
1.Banning all of them / Make them available in the official mod.


I'm not against graphic modifications , as long as they are in the official mod.


But in fact a modupdate needs a few month (remember the last is 4 month ago!)
And of course, the individuality of effectmods will be lost and the HC Mod get a greater size for new files.

Its much better to make a list like:

Allowed:
effects
starspheres
huds
...

not allowed:
fisheye
cheat
...

and of course, you cant detect grafik changes without screens
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Syd hat folgendes geschrieben:


not allowed:
fisheye
cheat
...


who say what a cheat is?
mouse curser changing can also a cheat

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FISCHEYE hat folgendes geschrieben:
Pointless Thread .

Rhino "tested" Fisheye Modification "offical" 5 months ago , no action taken by Admins since then (removing Threads doesnt help ^^) , instead they ask you to fraps 24/7 lol .
As all "cosmetical" modifications are still supported by admins until yesterday ( see Alarich`s post , please dont do it , lol ) .
This Server has clearly integrated cheat ( no sense to make movies now , only braindeads would use cheat yet ) , only solution would be a Loader Program imo , say goodby to vanilla FL, as obviously admins cant control all ini files ^^ .

Show me who you are ...

I never fought against people with the .ini-modification in the test who did not know that I have a special modded freelancer running. You did not forget that there was a Thread but what was in there.

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PvP Stats should be reset to a half year ago at least ^^ .
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Zitat:
1.Banning all of them / Make them available in the official mod.


How can you make that a single vote-option?... I'd vote for ban them all if they influence the gameplay. Making all the available graphics options part of the HHC mod is not practical since you'd need every modder's approval for that, apart from boosting the size. Plasmafire e.g. is (beta5) almost 370MB in rar (i.e. not even zip, which is the flmod standard). Also, activating & deactivating would take AGES if you had multiple graphics mods included.

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and of course, you cant detect grafik changes without screens

Of course you can, by scanning those files for changes just like all the important ones are currently scanned.

If you could make the fisheye mod unusable by including the noHud/camera mod I would support this.

EDIT: Disclaimer: this is assuming that the files involved are not scanned currently - I have not tested this. No insults intended!

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Hi CatDog.

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]Imperium[Bas hat folgendes geschrieben:
Hi CatDog.


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rofl thought the same XD

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Lets unban him for a while to comment on this thread.^^

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With the pace the admin team releases new stuff, it would take months / years before we get any graphical updates or options to choose from, like HUD colors. Heck, even with fisheye known for so long there hasn't been one single update to remedy the situation. So leaving graphical stuff to become official is not an option. On the other hand, fisheye is just as easily recognizable as a cheat by the software as increased refire rate and stuff like that. All it needs is to be put into the anti cheat software.

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Kirki hat folgendes geschrieben:
]Imperium[Bas hat folgendes geschrieben:
Hi CatDog.


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rofl thought the same XD


Welcome to the club.. no one else is still crying about the fisheye test.. nice to know, that you are still crying CaTDoof...

@Topic: Better forbit more, then less.. and have fair playing.

If you look at those players that are leaving because nothing is done about the cheating bla bla.. i can understand them in some way...

To get rid of those cheats and unwanted modifications first step will be placing more widescreen options in the mod.
And then.. after that adding step by step all wanted modifications..
And forbidding all modifications wont stop those who like modding.. if they want to make or try modifications.. just contact the admins.. then they could allow you to test those modifications..
This would also bring those "modders" which are testing those "modifications" on their own to official modding instead of underground modding..
Because if there are soooo many cheats and mods.. there have to be many modders or just a few very capible modders.
Instead of working against all other they could HELP...

I know.. i'm the all time optimist.. but well


//Edit:
If Lasse is saying that it could be done, then it can be done!!! I trust him

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man seit ihr witzig

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Why ask the admins if you want to test a mod? Just create another ID and play with the HHC Mod disabled. In case the mod testers misbehave by using cheats, they're easily kicked by the players.

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1.Banning all of them / Make them available in the official mod. - 70%

I think things look pretty clear right now.
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Anshar hat folgendes geschrieben:
1.Banning all of them / Make them available in the official mod. - 70%

I think things look pretty clear right now.


Not really.
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